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the lesser · Aug 10, 2008, 07:56 AM // 07:56

whats the difference between a warrior using healing breeze and a warrior using troll unguent in RA?

notskorn · Aug 10, 2008, 08:02 AM // 08:02

They are both really bad

Kale Ironfist · Aug 10, 2008, 08:03 AM // 08:03

Healing Breeze:
Is an enchantment
Costs 10 energy
In a not so useful attribute for a Warrior

Troll Unguent:
Lasts longer
Can't be removed
Takes longer to apply and recharge
In an attribute line that has more useful skills than Healing Prayers.

Both really shouldn't be used as self-heals for Warriors anyway, since they take too long to provide enough benefit and both can be shutdown too easily.

Keero89 · Aug 10, 2008, 08:04 AM // 08:04

That's why a smart Warrior would bring Mending! /fail

Or Lion's Comfort? >_>

Div · Aug 10, 2008, 08:16 AM // 08:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by the lesser

whats the difference between a warrior using healing breeze and a warrior using troll unguent in RA?

One thinks he's clever, while the other thinks he's a tank. Both are terrible.

Lion's comfort or heal sig ftw.

MisterB · Aug 10, 2008, 08:17 AM // 08:17

Paladin versus IWAY.
Warriors shouldn't use either one.

MagmaRed · Aug 10, 2008, 08:53 AM // 08:53

Healing Breeze is an enchantment. Even in RA, this means you risk getting it shattered, drained, stripped, or inspired. Removed, making you waste 10 energy using it, and getting little benefit out of it based on how long it takes to get it removed. Plus, to get the regen up to a decent level, you will be investing a decent amount of attributes in Healing Prayers, and the only other skill in that line that may be useful to a warrior in PvP is Cure Hex.

Troll Unguent is slightly better in the fact that it can't be removed once you use it and its attribute has skills that may be useful to a warrior. However, 3 seconds to use it means you are doing nothing for 3 seconds, and anyone with an interrupt can laugh at you.

Healing Breeze and Troll Unguent are not self heals either, which is what you asked about. They are health regen skills, not heals. Regen is nice when dealing with small damage over time, or degen like bleeding, poison, hexes, etc. But a straight heal is faster and more efficient and reliable. Lion's Comfort and Healing Signet both do the job needed, and are both in warrior attributes that you should be using for a PvP build. Neither cost energy, so they are easy for a warrior to use.

If you use a W/Mo, your best Monk skills to use would be Mending Touch and a hex removal skill. Blind and Cripple will hurt your ability to kill things, and hexes can do damage to you or eliminate your threat. If you go W/R, Antidote Signet will be your best option for dealing with those nasty conditions.

obsidian ectoplasm · Aug 10, 2008, 08:55 AM // 08:55

Most pro warriors use WoH

**Sarcasim** lol

Lions comfort is teh way to go

Heal sig is ok but tactics = kinda fail

the lesser · Aug 10, 2008, 10:18 AM // 10:18

my only reason for asking is im tired of hearing sh*t for using hb, by another warrior who turns around and uses troll unguent in the same game.

me personally, i must have a self heal. i cannot trust the monks in RA if we even get one, or run round without one. and i dont use tactics so screw it ill throw the extra points in healing and do me. im not lacking anything on my bar either, ive got my spike & condition removal or res sig.

i dont have nightfall so lions comfort is not an option.

yea by self heal i mean health regen or whatever.

Gift3d · Aug 10, 2008, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

Paladin versus IWAY.

homg this made me laugh hard

Energy regeneration, on one player, no matter which form it's in, is a horrible insufficient way of healing. I've seen about 19 mending/healing breeze luxon wammo's in AB today because of the weekend, and needless to say they died swiftly with no energy to spam frenzy. Health regeneration, in most cases, sucks. It sucks. IT SUCKS!

The only self-heal you should be using on a warrior is either [lion's comfort], or the [vital boon]+[signet of pious light] combo also works very well. Healing signet's worthless just because there are no good tactics skills.

MagmaRed · Aug 10, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46

If you are investing in Healing Prayers and want a self heal, then the best option is probably [signet of rejuvenation]. I only say this because it has no energy cost. There is no good reason to invest in Healing Prayers though, so I do not recommend it.

Keero89 · Aug 10, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

What about Necromancer options? He could transfer his conditions and possibly have a decent health steal for cheap.

[Plague Touch][Blood Renewal][Life Transfer][Vampiric Spirit] (VS is "Steal up to 5...41...50 Health from target foe. For 10 seconds, you have +5...9...10 Health regeneration. ")

I Phoenix I · Aug 10, 2008, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Wasting an Elite slot for a "heal" is not a very good idea...

Keero89 · Aug 10, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Well that's if they needed a heal. Incompetent monks are incompetent in RA. :X

Mesmer in Need · Aug 10, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Don't bring a self heal in RA with a non support profession. It's a waste of skill slots, ones that will potentially boost your damage output. And if there's no monk or rit, you're probably going to die anyways, regardless of having a self heal or not. Most victories come out of a monk/rit being on your team.

N1ghtstalker · Aug 10, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06

they both haven't found out [lion's comfort] is the best

MagmaRed · Aug 10, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by the lesser

i dont have nightfall so lions comfort is not an option.

The OP is aware of it.

HawkofStorms · Aug 11, 2008, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need

Don't bring a self heal in RA with a non support profession. It's a waste of skill slots, ones that will potentially boost your damage output. And if there's no monk or rit, you're probably going to die anyways, regardless of having a self heal or not. Most victories come out of a monk/rit being on your team.

Terrible advice. All RA builds need/should have a reliable self heal and some utility (not just all amage), or a TON of spike damage to kill foes before you have a chnce to die (mostly sin, paragon, or ranger builds). Because many times you won't have a healer. But that is no excuse to give up. I've won over 10 games in a row in RA multiple times with no healer. You don't need a great team with a healer to suceed in RA. You just have to beat the other 80% of players who are idiots in RA.

Aug 10, 2008, 07:56 AM // 07:56	#1
the lesser Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Orlando, Florida Guild: [LNS]	self heals pvp. whats the difference between a warrior using healing breeze and a warrior using troll unguent in RA?

Aug 10, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16	#12
Keero89 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska Profession: Me/Mo	What about Necromancer options? He could transfer his conditions and possibly have a decent health steal for cheap. [Plague Touch][Blood Renewal][Life Transfer][Vampiric Spirit] (VS is "Steal up to 5...41...50 Health from target foe. For 10 seconds, you have +5...9...10 Health regeneration. ") Last edited by Keero89; Aug 10, 2008 at 07:23 PM // 19:23..

Aug 10, 2008, 08:02 AM // 08:02	#2
notskorn Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: Clan Roxor Profession: W/E	They are both really bad

Aug 10, 2008, 08:03 AM // 08:03	#3
Kale Ironfist Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Australia Guild: Venatio Illuminata [VEIL] Profession: W/	Healing Breeze: Is an enchantment Costs 10 energy In a not so useful attribute for a Warrior Troll Unguent: Lasts longer Can't be removed Takes longer to apply and recharge In an attribute line that has more useful skills than Healing Prayers. Both really shouldn't be used as self-heals for Warriors anyway, since they take too long to provide enough benefit and both can be shutdown too easily.

Aug 10, 2008, 08:04 AM // 08:04	#4
Keero89 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska Profession: Me/Mo	That's why a smart Warrior would bring Mending! /fail Or Lion's Comfort? >_>

Aug 10, 2008, 08:17 AM // 08:17	#6
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	Paladin versus IWAY. Warriors shouldn't use either one.

Aug 10, 2008, 08:53 AM // 08:53	#7
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	Healing Breeze is an enchantment. Even in RA, this means you risk getting it shattered, drained, stripped, or inspired. Removed, making you waste 10 energy using it, and getting little benefit out of it based on how long it takes to get it removed. Plus, to get the regen up to a decent level, you will be investing a decent amount of attributes in Healing Prayers, and the only other skill in that line that may be useful to a warrior in PvP is Cure Hex. Troll Unguent is slightly better in the fact that it can't be removed once you use it and its attribute has skills that may be useful to a warrior. However, 3 seconds to use it means you are doing nothing for 3 seconds, and anyone with an interrupt can laugh at you. Healing Breeze and Troll Unguent are not self heals either, which is what you asked about. They are health regen skills, not heals. Regen is nice when dealing with small damage over time, or degen like bleeding, poison, hexes, etc. But a straight heal is faster and more efficient and reliable. Lion's Comfort and Healing Signet both do the job needed, and are both in warrior attributes that you should be using for a PvP build. Neither cost energy, so they are easy for a warrior to use. If you use a W/Mo, your best Monk skills to use would be Mending Touch and a hex removal skill. Blind and Cripple will hurt your ability to kill things, and hexes can do damage to you or eliminate your threat. If you go W/R, Antidote Signet will be your best option for dealing with those nasty conditions.

Aug 10, 2008, 08:55 AM // 08:55	#8
obsidian ectoplasm Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008	Most pro warriors use WoH Sarcasim lol Lions comfort is teh way to go Heal sig is ok but tactics = kinda fail

Aug 10, 2008, 10:18 AM // 10:18	#9
the lesser Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Orlando, Florida Guild: [LNS]	my only reason for asking is im tired of hearing sh*t for using hb, by another warrior who turns around and uses troll unguent in the same game. me personally, i must have a self heal. i cannot trust the monks in RA if we even get one, or run round without one. and i dont use tactics so screw it ill throw the extra points in healing and do me. im not lacking anything on my bar either, ive got my spike & condition removal or res sig. i dont have nightfall so lions comfort is not an option. yea by self heal i mean health regen or whatever.

Aug 10, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46	#11
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	If you are investing in Healing Prayers and want a self heal, then the best option is probably [signet of rejuvenation]. I only say this because it has no energy cost. There is no good reason to invest in Healing Prayers though, so I do not recommend it.

Aug 10, 2008, 07:32 PM // 19:32	#13
I Phoenix I Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: The Elite Lords of Chaos [LoC] Profession: R/	Wasting an Elite slot for a "heal" is not a very good idea...

Aug 10, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42	#14
Keero89 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska Profession: Me/Mo	Well that's if they needed a heal. Incompetent monks are incompetent in RA. :X

Aug 10, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59	#15
Mesmer in Need Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: [ToA]	Don't bring a self heal in RA with a non support profession. It's a waste of skill slots, ones that will potentially boost your damage output. And if there's no monk or rit, you're probably going to die anyways, regardless of having a self heal or not. Most victories come out of a monk/rit being on your team.

Aug 10, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06	#16
N1ghtstalker Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2007 Profession: E/	they both haven't found out [lion's comfort] is the best